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Sambucus nigra f. porphyrophylla 'Thundercloud' (Black elder 'Thundercloud')

Beginner
skill rating
1 hour care
per year
2.5m
Max height
2m
Max spread
10-20 years
To maturity
Low
Toxicity

Plant details

Botanical name

Sambucus nigra f. porphyrophylla 'Thundercloud'

Other names

Black elder 'Thundercloud', Bourtree 'Thundercloud', Common elder 'Thundercloud', Elderberry 'Thundercloud', European elder 'Thundercloud'

Genus

Sambucus Sambucus

Variety or Cultivar

'Thundercloud' _ 'Thundercloud' is an upright, bushy, deciduous shrub with purple-black, finely-divided, palmate leaves and red buds opening to flattened panicles of fragrant, reddish-pink flowers in early summer followed by round, glossy, dark purple fruit in autumn.


Sambucus nigra f. porphyrophylla 'Thundercloud' is: Deciduous

Fragrance

Flowers are scented.

Habit

Bushy, Compact, Upright

Toxicity

Any part of the plant may cause discomfort if ingested. However, the berries may be consumed when cooked.

Flower

Pink in Summer

Foliage

Dark-purple, Black in Spring; Dark-purple, Black in Summer; Black, Dark-purple in Autumn

How to care

Watch out for

Specific pests

Black-fly , Glasshouse red spider mite Black-fly , Glasshouse red spider mite

Verticillium wilt Verticillium wilt

General care

Pruning

Will tolerate hard pruning to keep size in check.

Propagation methods

Hardwood cuttings, Softwood cuttings


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Where to grow

Sambucus nigra f. porphyrophylla 'Thundercloud' (Black elder 'Thundercloud') will reach a height of 2.5m and a spread of 2m after 10-20 years.

Suggested uses

Coastal, Hedging/Screens, Wildlife, Woodland

Cultivation

Will tolerate most soils and aspects; ideally, grow in a moderately fertile, moist, well-drained soil in full sun. Will tolerate partial shade but will have best foliage colour in full sun.

Soil type

Chalky, Clay, Loamy, Sandy (will tolerate most soil types)

Soil drainage

Moist but well-drained, Well-drained

Soil pH

Acid, Alkaline, Neutral

Light

Partial Shade, Full Sun

Aspect

North, South, East, West

Exposure

Exposed, Sheltered

UK hardiness Note: We are working to update our ratings. Thanks for your patience.

Hardy (H4)

Companion plants

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Botanical name

Sambucus nigra f. porphyrophylla 'Thundercloud'

Other names

Black elder 'Thundercloud', Bourtree 'Thundercloud', Common elder 'Thundercloud', Elderberry 'Thundercloud', European elder 'Thundercloud'

Genus

Sambucus Sambucus

Variety or Cultivar

'Thundercloud' _ 'Thundercloud' is an upright, bushy, deciduous shrub with purple-black, finely-divided, palmate leaves and red buds opening to flattened panicles of fragrant, reddish-pink flowers in early summer followed by round, glossy, dark purple fruit in autumn.

Foliage

Deciduous

Fragrance

Flowers are scented.

Habit

Bushy, Compact, Upright

Toxicity

Any part of the plant may cause discomfort if ingested. However, the berries may be consumed when cooked.


Colour

Flower

Pink in Summer

Foliage

Dark-purple, Black in Spring; Dark-purple, Black in Summer; Black, Dark-purple in Autumn


How to care

Watch out for

Specific pests

Black-fly , Glasshouse red spider mite

Specific diseases

Verticillium wilt

General care

Pruning

Will tolerate hard pruning to keep size in check.

Propagation methods

Hardwood cuttings, Softwood cuttings


Monthly care advice


Where to grow

Sambucus nigra f. porphyrophylla 'Thundercloud' (Black elder 'Thundercloud') will reach a height of 2.5m and a spread of 2m after 10-20 years.

Suggested uses

Coastal, Hedging/Screens, Wildlife, Woodland

Cultivation

Will tolerate most soils and aspects; ideally, grow in a moderately fertile, moist, well-drained soil in full sun. Will tolerate partial shade but will have best foliage colour in full sun.

Soil type

Chalky, Clay, Loamy, Sandy (will tolerate most soil types)

Soil drainage

Moist but well-drained, Well-drained

Soil pH

Acid, Alkaline, Neutral

Light

Partial Shade, Full Sun

Aspect

North, South, East, West

Exposure

Exposed, Sheltered

UK hardiness Note: We are working to update our ratings. Thanks for your patience.

Hardy (H4)

USDA zones

Zone 8, Zone 7, Zone 6, Zone 5

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